He's just on a whole nother level from GEB. Yes, Pre-Retcon Beyonder can erase the fodder low level abstracts from Marvel Multiverse that goes from universal to low-multiversal incarnations bound by physics and that cannot exists outside. Doom stated the LifeForce >>> the power of Beyonder. So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Reconstructs and Reignites all Stars in the Galaxy. That said, outside of raw power I’d believe Lucifer could trick him or otherwise outwit him. #1 Omega48. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. Round 2: White Phoenix of the Crown: Beyonder stomps. They know that he is capable of ending them with naught but a thought, and that engenders a feeling in them they've never known- fear. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. To believe that all infinite multiversals are equal is to believe LT would "stalemate" the likes of Time Eater Lavos and Zeedmilleniummon. You do not scale a boundless entity from its cosmology. Let's put it this way. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are. @sungsam: Current Molecule Man has the power of the beyonders so he is supposed to be more powerful than pre retconned moleculeman who is around the same level as pre retconned beyonder. Don't think God Thing's H4X compares. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. Everybody bows down to Pre-retcon Beyonder. MrStealYoSweetroll • 2 yr. Pre-retcon beyonder is equal toaa in power. 33. #1. Didn't Hom scarlet witch got switched to planet level twice so she isn't. Pre-ret beyonder was collapsing parallel dimensions as a byproduct of deep conflicting thought, Thanos could probably achieve this seeing how he wiped the universe clean but Beyonder just seems. I think he wins this. ago. Beyonder is barely multiversal, the cosmology is too. Beyonder 39%. Key: Incomplete Cosmic Cube | Ascended Cosmic Cube (Kosmos) | Adult Beyonder | Escaped from the House of Ideas. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. Beyonder still probably loses to Thought Robot Superman, Final Batsuit Batman, Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman, Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos, Perpetua, the Darkest Knight, true form Darkseid, etc. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. This also includes any editing errors, spelling errors, grammar errors etc. I think pre-retcon Beyonder may take it. Beyonder is a million times larger than an Infinite Dimensional Multiverse, the difference between him and an Omniverse is far greater than the one between MM. A High Nigh-Omnipotent being; with no limits. Baby Beyonder. In The Complete Secret Wars #3, Pre-Retcon Beyonder opined that Stephan Strange is stronger than any in the multiverse suspect and had the opportunity to seal him in a pocket dimension ridding the multiverse of him forever. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Conditions of the battle: *Composite Time Lords will include variants of the Time Lords from the Expanded Doctor Who Universe (e. But it wont be easy by no means. Beyonder is better then the verse it is really to vague an obscure but really they don't seem to come close to his level of power and I doubt they are supposed to be interpreted as such. the_doctor. When super-amped Doom battled the Beyonder he got stomped hard. It takes place in the astral plane that has infinite size. 2 years ago. Victor knows about Beyonder's powers so if he knows that LF is powerful than Cosmic cube why doesn't he just says “ Even the powers of The 'Cosmic cube' was. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. Stops at 4. CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. 2. The Presence is an omnipotent God, I take it? Forums. Current Beyonder looks to be back to his Pre Retcon level. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. Pre retcon MM scared the cosmics of the 80s even as groups, they had to just let him pass by out of fear, even beg him to fight Beyonder due to how scared shitless they. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. Beyonder both times, i find God of stories loki just generally to be wanked by flowery wording and shitty interpretation, hes still currently god of stories and got shit on by Donald Blake who just had some power of Thor and the World Serpant. This is the power level used when referring to PR Beyonder or PR Molecule Man. Thanks for that. Just because it's the pre-retcon Beyonder, it doesn't mean his opponents are at the power level they were in pre-retcon days. PRB has a lot of showings that would suggest otherwise. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (Marvel) vs Lucifer Morningstar (DC/Vertigo) Lucifer win because in terms of raw power beyonder win but you have to remember beyonder isnt smart at all. These are somewhat meaningless, it gets to a point where it's too abstract to try and say something concrete about. The camera zooms out of the celebrating teens only to show PRB above them with puppet strings in his hands. He holds the power millions of times greater than the multiverse and it's forces combined. Doom did. Additional comment actions. Pre-Retcon Beyonder can resurrect the Dead and can give whoever Power they never once had. At the height of his power, Pre-Retcon Beyonder gave everything that existed a few hours to continue existing before he wiped everything out. Add a Comment. If we don't then I think he would stop at 6 since Thought Robot is plot device designed to always beat the villain and Beyonder would be the villain in this situation from the perspective of Though Robot. edit3: There is one mutant whose ability is retcon. Doom get the drop on him and take his power. Text under CC-BY-SA licenseThe Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of. 1000 Tribunals and 1000 Eternitys wouldn't do jack against him. He should win against Lucifer. If this is pre retcon then beyonder. Loki God Of Stories 17. beyonder is just human level because he looks like a human. And Beyonder's Void sees less of Marvel's Creation than Oblivion's Void does. When the Beyonder entered Marvel, reality itself ceased to exist. Tier: High 1-B | At least High 1-B | High 1-A | High 1-A. We can actually prove that Pre-Retcon Beyonder is fodder to Composite-DC. It is unclear whether his power under this retcon is greater of lesser than the Cosmic Cube version of the Beyonder, or if it is even at the level of Pre-Retcon Beyonder. He got trick by low level being while Lucifer is the smartest and trickiest being so i say lucifer morningstar win this. ago. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. -Both sides have a week of prep. A fight which takes place on countless levels other than the physical. #1 Omega48. #14. His power level is limited to Marvels definition of omnipotence and it's hierarchy which currrently includes deities like the One Above All. Honestly, I don't know of any feat that proves WP. Created to be the ultimate thing ever, the Beyonder fulfilled his objective too well. Lucifer is a different beast. VS. Well seeing how ive been told i need to tone down the Superman stuff. See: Secret Wars In order to satisfy his feeling, Beyonder began a experiment where he would take many heroes and villains of Earth and put them to a test to better understand the concept of good, evil and desire. There are levels of overpowered. ProfessorRespect. Thanos with the HOTU is more powerful than LT as well, though I can't remember any massive feats he had. ) along with the Great Houses of Gallifrey (A. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). . And since he gave his power to. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Cubey. Franklin Richards (when he has powers), Molecule Man, Mad Jim Jaspers, Job Burke, and other universal- to multiversal-level reality warpers. Pre-Retcon Molecule man can't stop, and even scratch Pre-retcon Beyonder. Forums. deactivated-5b3daad020468. I also added scans and references. Omnipotent= One above All (Not celestial) Nigh-Omnipotent= (Pre-recton Beyonder), Living Tribunal, Pre-recton Molecule Man. . That was the whole point of "Secret Wars II. 8: Hulk /w The One Below All. 2. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Queen Of Never 25. " So, name someone. There's a difference. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. pr beyonder was way above LT, even when pr beyonder was weakened, he was still more powerful than a room full of abstracts, including LT. who’s full power. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. 0. who universe. The level is set when. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. Although marvel uses numbers to calculate; it's as if he's Alef Null x Billion beyond infinity that already exist, which Tribunal and many others have already transcended. 4 years ago. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa. so what beyonder does that agianst guys 1000x their level. He needed to use his entire power to kill mistress death which left. #3 JohanLiebert123. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. All the previous ones have been way too lopsided or at power levels lower than this (discounting preretcon beyonder and MM's clash) Cyclops really disappointed though. People place the cosmic entities on Lucifers level sometimes lmao. He is. Full123. Definitely Beyonder. Inherent in his almost limitless psionic abilities the Beyonder has the potential to affect reality in a manner that could, in theory, simulate virtually any power. 3: Pre-retcon Beyonder 4: Post-retcon Beyonders. so MM was infinite chain levels of infinity power leveled. If the individual, then pre-retcon Beyonder wins hands down. This would eventually change with later stories, as writers would rewrite and retcon the Beyonder's character and origin, to decrease his power and importance in the Cosmic Hierarchy. 0. But beyonder that isn’t pr gets absorbed. The Beyonder and Molecule manage to make their way to the DC universe, Beyonder threatens to destroy creation. There is nothing he can do to hurt him while Beyonder can snap his finger and destroy Flash and the universe. Spectre is tapped into God so he has an unlimited amount of power at his disposal. The beyonder = The One above all. So I started a thread where we can debate the power that Beyonder had before he was retconned. Was mind-haxxed/poisoned by Multiversal knowledge, despite being more than thousands of degrees more powerful than such things. Orphic Zeus. don't really get all the scaling levels, but he's stated the marvel multiverse is a droplet compared to the ocean that he is. ago. so that places a limit on his power. The conversation about pre-retcon Beyonder?s power have torn down the thread about Thanos with the heart?s power. super strength is not worth much in such a fight. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. 1. Team 1 wins. Because the Living Tribunal was not 1-A back in 1985, and that is the era when the pre-retcon Beyonder existed. Super Power Score and Level. Pre-retcon beyonder is equal toaa in power. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. LT. #28 ovy7. Power-level wise, the Beyonder is so far 'beyond' the Anti-Monitor it's not even funny. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Even The. Origin: Marvel Comics. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. He has both well feats and statements. Nov 6, 2017. Bernkastel first summoned few thousands kitties, Will resisted for a while, but it did not take long for the cats to rip off one of his. we have here two supreme beings, fighting in all the multiverse, and they don't care if the multiverse is destroyed or not, all they care about is toBeyonder (Pre-Retcon) runs the gauntlet. Scathan has decided he no longer "Approves" of the beyonders exsistance. Inherent in his almost limitless psionic abilities the Beyonder has the potential to affect reality in a manner that could, in theory, simulate virtually any power. The result of an. Follow 3300. 6 years ago. Pre Retcon Beyonder is far far beyond any of his other forms. Apr 18, 2021. Even we accept the retcon situation you defend,thats not a obstacle for Pre Retcon Beyonder and his Supreme power. #2. Round 5 : Beyonder Curbs ( it is said that his power is far superior to MM. Any of the Smash gods could do it, and so would the beings above. 1. VS. You. 967. Super Power Score and Level. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. on. Super Power Score and Level. Beyonder explicitly said "everything you can dream about, I can do", and it is confirmed by few characters present there. CryptoWeaknesses. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. He is. Pre-Retcon Beyonder for the win, its just that one panel's narration about being billions or was it millions of times more powerful then all the multiverse combined. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. 7: Old Lord Thanos. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. Kuuko273. 21)Beyonder(Pre-retcon) 22)Elaine Belloc 23)Nyarlathotep The Rules: 1. Pre-Retcon Beyonder got overpowered by the Phoenix Force. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. Of course, Sentry beat MM when he was at. 3. Jan 22, 2017. Yeah. 3. Apr 8, 2018. Sure he can beat the post-retcon Beyonder. Yes, the Ivory Kings are retcon back inspirations to Pre Retcon Beyonder, but they are merely inspirations. Bernkastel vs her servant Will ( not an actual battle. 0. Pre Retcon Beyonder (Same reason as The Presence) Kami Tenchi (Once again, for similar reasons as The Presence) Archived post. Enter, the retcon. So I might be missing something. when people talk about pre-retcon marvel like pre-retcon beyonder or pre-retcon molecule man what storyline was the retcon. Beyonder. Lucifer deletes LT, PRB deletes Lucy then recreates LT. VS. Nope. Just because Beyonder, originally wasnt from marvel multiverse doesnt mean that Beyonder isnt a marvel character, because he is. #1 Edited By XiiX. We know that there are multiversals, but Pre-Retcon Beyonders kinda man handled LT from what I understood so it's kinda hard to say who would win. Full cosmic cubes, like Kubik and Shaper, are more powerful. 9. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. Pre-Retcon Beyonder can use his powers to instantly know his enemy's thoughts, feelings, and powers and counter them. 9 years ago. Nothing can come close to infinite creation and/or destruction. Phoenix Taaia 26. g. Supposedly he retconned himself, so this would mean pre- and post- retconn are same power level. I don't recall any changes in power level or powerset. They do things that are abtract and non-sensical, but quite frankly so does Beyonder so it's a coin flip imo. ) 4 years ago. 9: Dr. FollowHe wielded the Dunamis Demiurgos which is the literal power of God. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Beyonder is 1,000,000-2,000,000 times more powerful than an Infinitely Layered Multiverse based on the On-Panel direct estimate. 0. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Cosmic Armor Superman is two infinities greater than a multiverse whilst Beyonder is only a million times greater than a Multiverse that does not even expand. 9 years ago. 5 years ago. "True Darkseid" or whatever you want to call him was threatening the muliverse due to the nature of his fall - not personal power. That's a sense of just what level the Beyonder is at. 8 years ago. Lucifer. If we ignore Thought Robot's plot manipulating and implied power and go by feats, then I think Beyonder stops at round 9. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. Destiny is shown to be above DC as a whole. #17. The story is a flashback to the original Secret Wars so he had Pre-Retcon Beyonder's powers, that's the Spider-Man being used. We have an exact power level for Freezer at that point in the story as well, without needing to look at external sources. Quantu. All of the sudden Deku gets a power up and You Say Run starts playing. Marvel team : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, The Beyonder & Living Tribunal. Power Grid [27] Intelligence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. This is Post Retcon Beyonder. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. ] Planet Buster Tier: Able to destroy a planet [E. By the way what is Hajun's power i mean kkk is has no official English translation and baste on what i know from all the translated content his basically Lung from worm and can escalate his power with the. In Avengers Beyond #1, the Beyonder race was revealed to be created by Cal-Horra (clarified to be a creation of the Celestials in issues #4 – 5) and their power originated. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. Gen. Forums. eternityx. Pre Retcon Beyonder is boundless while Lucifer n AR thanos are high outer. He was initially depicted. Follow 379. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. The answer is stupidly powerful, note the reason why he was retconed . •beyonder is omnipotent in the beyond realm. Wich by the way, Beyonder, would just make a tought to undo them all. Business, Economics, and Finance. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. Anti-monitor was multiversal, Beyonder was hundreds and hundreds of times more powerful than the multiverse and is the poster boy for omnipotence (even though he's nigh omnipotent). I guess ill make some rules 1. Gan and Crimson King are basically super-amped versions of P. Q, although claims omnipotence, was still very bound with what he could do. Marvel has it's entire cosmology absolutely filthy with things with a canonical power level of "infinite". George and Jessica vs Gaap and Ronove. Yeah true. Rune King Thor cant beat a fully fed. . He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. Beyonder has way more hax, the Glory is literally non-sentient, and Beyonder has an extreme AP advantage, seeing as the Glory is only possibly baseline High 1-B, and Beyonder is well over 10,000,000 times more powerful than almost every High 1-B in Marvel. #18 Edited By Kingant27. . 5 years ago. No one. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. Combine Pre-Retcon Beyonder and all the Marvel reality warpers, as well as Manhattan and. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. 13 years ago. 2. The Beyonder being millions of times the power of the Multiverse was countered by himself twicesaying Eternity and The Phoenix Force had the power to destroy him. Then we will talk. . Iirc PRB was hit by an attack from Molecule Man that could've destroyed billions of dimensions or something and was nigh-omnipresent and nigh-omnipotent. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). 5. " No actually there have been 3 different incarnations of the Beyonder with 3 different power levels. Pre-Retcon Beyonder probably is more powerful than current Sky-father Hercules and therefore can/should win. But it doesn't end there. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. Indeed. Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him. #1 Hello, I completely redid Beyonder's power and abilities section from scratch. While often portrayed as a misunderstood villain, he has also at times acted as an anti-hero. Just checked, you're right, my bad. Beyonder needs some preparation. And yeah he stomps. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. The Beyonder is straight up more powerful than the character used as The One Above All's proxy. Both HotU Thanos and PR Beyonder were vastly greater than LT. Alot of people seem to have hard time giving HOM Wanda her due. 7 years ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder Thread starter shrike2003; Start date May 26, 2006; Who rapes whom? The Spectre, at his max, is basically GOD!!. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being. Follow 11369. 5: Molecule Man 6: Lifebringer Galactus. jwwprod. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. 8 years ago. Wiki Points. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. 3. He should win against Lucifer. 5: Molecule Man 6: Lifebringer Galactus. So, it is the power of pre-retcon Beyonder. Wiki Points. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. Especially if they all team up on him. Then there the Beyonder Child unit thing that is related to The beyonders. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. We should really stop putting Beyonder in Threads. Owen Reece was a weak, shy boy in Brooklyn, New York who obsessively clung to his mother. Stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts. White 0hoenix Jean Grey 21. Post-Retcon Molecule Man easily overpowered the Post-Retcon Beyonder. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are all after the retcon.